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Not the part where Allen says, "Much of my work is in high school and college textbooks." Of course, that was in the Nineties, mate.
I meant NOTE the part...
It's interesting in this to see a clear anxiety on Ginsberg's part to establish his respectable academic credentials for the interviewer. I've read articles claiming that increasing tendency, in the latter part of his life, was to his discredit; that it even undermines the continued reception of poems like 'Howl' as radical. Both claims are bullshit. When Allen gave the interview he was old and sick; many of the friends who had helped him define his counter-cultural ideas were dead; the times were different; and Chogyam Trungpa had worked with Allen on what he called "Ginsberg resentment" to change his relationship with the world. You can't step into the same river twice, in other words. But "Howl" remains the most articulate critique of modern consumer society whether Ginsberg was an unemployed market research guy or a "distinguished professor". Once he had set the poem down on paper it ceased being his, to some extent, and belonged to the world.
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